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8ba11
2 Apr @ 6:37pm
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Was Artimis II Inspired by kerbal space program??
It would make sense cause we know space was invented becuase of kerbal space program so was artimis II also inspired by kerbal space program??
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Originally posted by Bomoo:

> Originally posted by meraco:
> You're thinking NASA spends it's time playing KSP for inspiration and technical inovation?
> You would be wrong.

He's right, actually.
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8ba11
8 Apr @ 10:49pm

> Originally posted by meraco:

> > Originally posted by 8ba11:
> > Omg shut up....
> > I made this as a sarcastic joke, and you idiots have to ruin the joke by arguing about a fake claim i made up. Jesus christ....

> It's the steam forums. What did you think would happen?
> What... you expected that everyone who read this would toss you an award and think it was funny?
> As a comedian, you need to work on your material.

No ♥♥♥♥ people are gonna take this seriously, especially on steam forms but no, i didn't expect anybody to give me an award, But you can't put your 2 cents in either as you were to take this seriously lol. but I'm not gonna argue since then i would be a hypocrite, so I'm right you're wrong.
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Lisias
8 Apr @ 11:23pm

> Originally posted by fendrin:
> I have asked for a source from NASA that confirms the usage of KSP for their work.
> Can you point to anything reliable?

First: the idea is not nuts. There're scientific studies about it:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/391031579_Design_of_space_systems_and_operational_mission_architectures_using_sandbox_games

> 6.3. Sandbox games
> The integration of sandbox games, specifically KSP, into the mission design process has provided several insights into their utility as strategic design tools. KSP, with RO and other mods, offers a flexible and interactive environment for rapid prototyping and iterative design. The use of the kRPC mod enables detailed extraction of system attributes, such as propulsion types, mass properties, and delta-v calculations, directly from the game environment. This direct interaction allows designers to quickly adjust and test different configurations, providing an agile platform for early-stage design decisions.

This paper DOES NOT prove that NASA is using KSP, but it proves that there're Scientists considering it to do things that NASA does.
So we have established that the idea IS NOT STUPID, and so it worth the effort to further check if someone at NASA does (or did) it.
Then I found this: https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/gamers-tackle-virtual-asteroid-sampling-mission/ (on archive too: https://web.archive.org/web/20160616104156/http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/gamers-tackle-virtual-asteroid-sampling-mission )

> Dworkin challenged players to use the virtual tools and supplies provided by the game to construct their own OSIRIS-REx spacecraft (also known as the Origins, Spectral Interpretation, Resource Identification, Security-Regolith Explorer), collect an asteroid sample, and return it safely to Kerbin.
> <...>
> "I built a few different versions of my own OSIRIS-REx, but I couldn't launch the spacecraft using realistic masses," said Dworkin, chief of the Astrochemistry Laboratory NASA Goddard. "My spacecraft was way too heavy and the center of thrust was wrong. When I tried to launch it, it spun up and broke into pieces."

There's no evidence that NASA or JPL uses KSP for advanced stages of mission planning (that would be nuts, NASA have specialized tools for that). But there're people claiming they had used for some Pre-Phase A (Concept Studies).
----
That said, this is already enough. Resentful people do what resentful people do - I didn't did this research to convince idiots to stop being idiots. I did this research so people don't fall on idiot's fallacies.
Keep in mind that all the material I found relates to 2025 tops, with most of it about 2020 and 2022 and the first ones still on 2013. So...
There's nothing around telling us that NASA or JPL **STILL DO** uses KSP for that. All we have are evidences that they did once.
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* Typos galore.
* Fighting this inconvenient markup system.
* I had claimed that Osiris could had been planned using KSP. I was wrong, by the time Dworkin published the mission on Forum[forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com], Osiris was essentially stuck on the pointy end of a Rocket waiting to be launched. My bad.
Last edited by Lisias; 8 Apr @ 11:45pm
#47
8ba11
8 Apr @ 11:34pm

> Originally posted by Lisias:

> > Originally posted by fendrin:
> > I have asked for a source from NASA that confirms the usage of KSP for their work.
> > Can you point to anything reliable?

> First: the idea is not nuts. There're scientific studies about it:
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/391031579_Design_of_space_systems_and_operational_mission_architectures_using_sandbox_games

> > 6.3. Sandbox games
> > The integration of sandbox games, specifically KSP, into the mission design process has provided several insights into their utility as strategic design tools. KSP, with RO and other mods, offers a flexible and interactive environment for rapid prototyping and iterative design. The use of the kRPC mod enables detailed extraction of system attributes, such as propulsion types, mass properties, and delta-v calculations, directly from the game environment. This direct interaction allows designers to quickly adjust and test different configurations, providing an agile platform for early-stage design decisions.

> This paper DOES NOT prove that NASA is using KSP, but it proves that there're Scientists considering it to do things that NASA does.
> So we have established that the idea IS NOT STUPID, and so it worth the effort to further check if someone at NASA does (or did) it.
> Then I found this: https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/gamers-tackle-virtual-asteroid-sampling-mission/ (on archive too: https://web.archive.org/web/20160616104156/http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/gamers-tackle-virtual-asteroid-sampling-mission )

> > Dworkin challenged players to use the virtual tools and supplies provided by the game to construct their own OSIRIS-REx spacecraft (also known as the Origins, Spectral Interpretation, Resource Identification, Security-Regolith Explorer), collect an asteroid sample, and return it safely to Kerbin.
> > <...>
> > "I built a few different versions of my own OSIRIS-REx, but I couldn't launch the spacecraft using realistic masses," said Dworkin, chief of the Astrochemistry Laboratory NASA Goddard. "My spacecraft was way too heavy and the center of thrust was wrong. When I tried to launch it, it spun up and broke into pieces."

> There's no evidence that NASA or JPL uses KSP for advanced stages of mission planning (that would be nuts, NASA have specialized tools for that). But there're people claiming they had used for some Pre-Phase A (Concept Studies).
> ----
> That said, this is already enough. Resentful people do what resentful people do - I didn't did this research to convince idiots to stop being idiots. I did this research so people don't fall on idiot's fallacies.
> Keep in mind that all the material I found relates to 2025 tops, with most of it about 2020 and 2022 and the first ones still on 2013. So...
> There's nothing around telling us that NASA or JPL **STILL DO** uses KSP for that. All we have are evidences that they did once.

Nasa uses ksp because ksp invented space end of story
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meraco
8 Apr @ 11:35pm

> Originally posted by 8ba11:
> I'm not gonna argue since then i would be a hypocrite,

Too late. Your practical application has already been put on display this whole time.
#49
8ba11
8 Apr @ 11:42pm

> Originally posted by meraco:

> > Originally posted by 8ba11:
> > I'm not gonna argue since then i would be a hypocrite,

> Too late. Your practical application has already been put on display this whole time.

No ♥♥♥♥ my "practical application has already been put on display this whole time" as i made the forum, that's how forums work
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kninevortex
9 Apr @ 12:07am
clearly. what kind of troglodyte thinks space is older that ksp
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fendrin
9 Apr @ 1:12am

> Originally posted by Lisias:

> > Originally posted by fendrin:
> > I have asked for a source from NASA that confirms the usage of KSP for their work.
> > Can you point to anything reliable?

> First: the idea is not nuts. There're scientific studies about it:
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/391031579_Design_of_space_systems_and_operational_mission_architectures_using_sandbox_games

There are scientific papers out there, meant to be jokes.
The one founding the "Dyson Sphere" myth, I linked to above, might be the best example.
A paper that comes to the conclusion that KSP *might* be used in the future for a thing is worth nothing.

> 6.3. Sandbox games
> The integration of sandbox games, specifically KSP, into the mission design process has provided several insights into their utility as strategic design tools. KSP, with RO and other mods, offers a flexible and interactive environment for rapid prototyping and iterative design. The use of the kRPC mod enables detailed extraction of system attributes, such as propulsion types, mass properties, and delta-v calculations, directly from the game environment. This direct interaction allows designers to quickly adjust and test different configurations, providing an agile platform for early-stage design decisions.

That is a lot of speculations, nothing else.

> This paper DOES NOT prove that NASA is using KSP, but it proves that there're Scientists considering it to do things that NASA does.

It just proves that some Students were bored or too lazy to find a proper topic when practicing their skill in writing bad pseudo scientific papers.
Nothing more.

> So we have established that the idea IS NOT STUPID, and so it worth the effort to further check if someone at NASA does (or did) it.

No. You did not establish anything than quoting a bad paper.
I am pretty sure the people at NASA feel the same about that paper.

> Then I found this: https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/gamers-tackle-virtual-asteroid-sampling-mission/ (on archive too: https://web.archive.org/web/20160616104156/http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/gamers-tackle-virtual-asteroid-sampling-mission )

> > Dworkin challenged players to use the virtual tools and supplies provided by the game to construct their own OSIRIS-REx spacecraft (also known as the Origins, Spectral Interpretation, Resource Identification, Security-Regolith Explorer), collect an asteroid sample, and return it safely to Kerbin.
> > <...>
> > "I built a few different versions of my own OSIRIS-REx, but I couldn't launch the spacecraft using realistic masses," said Dworkin, chief of the Astrochemistry Laboratory NASA Goddard. "My spacecraft was way too heavy and the center of thrust was wrong. When I tried to launch it, it spun up and broke into pieces."

> There's no evidence that NASA or JPL uses KSP for advanced stages of mission planning (that would be nuts, NASA have specialized tools for that). But there're people claiming they had used for some Pre-Phase A (Concept Studies).

A story about a video game, cool stuff.
That is more NASA reporting about their PR work than anything else.

> That said, this is already enough. Resentful people do what resentful people do - I didn't did this research to convince idiots to stop being idiots. I did this research so people don't fall on idiot's fallacies.

You did no research.
Just quoting some roughly to the silly topic fitting text from the internet is no research.
And it proves nothing.
It just makes you look silly and naive.

> Keep in mind that all the material I found relates to 2025 tops, with most of it about 2020 and 2022 and the first ones still on 2013. So...
> There's nothing around telling us that NASA or JPL **STILL DO** uses KSP for that. All we have are evidences that they did once.

There is no evidence that they even did once, you confuse PR with scientific research.
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fendrin
9 Apr @ 5:08am

> Originally posted by kninevortex:
> clearly. what kind of troglodyte thinks space is older that ksp

The true story is as following:
Johannes Kepler played KSP and invented his laws of planetary motion.
Then NASA invented Space regarding his laws.
Before that the Earth was flat, like Arda (the world that hosts Middle Earth) was flat before the cataclysm at the end of the Second Age.
Shortly before the Voyager probes were launched, NASA also installed the Outer Planets Mod to the simulation.
And so the solar system as we know it today came into existence.
#53
Lisias
9 Apr @ 11:32am

> Originally posted by fendrin:
> And it proves nothing.

AND I NEVER STATED OTHERWISE. I talked about evidences, not proofs!! :

> Originally posted by fendrin:
> It just makes you look silly and naive.

Perhaps, but apparently I'm in good company given the evidences I presented above.
Resentful people is not good company.

> Originally posted by fendrin:
> There is no evidence that they even did once, you confuse PR with scientific research.

Yes, we have. But you will keep abusing your (temporary and nowadays fragile) position of power to keep lying to people about the subject.
Your insistence on the subject strongly suggests at least one of the following hypothesis:

- We are right, but you have a stake on preventing people from knowing it.
- We are wrong, but perhaps near something else - and you have a stake on preventing people from knowing it
- You have a personal beef with someone involved on this discussion, and really doesn't matter if it's right or not, all you want to do is to try to make this/these dude(s) look bad and so you will distort any evidence and any statement, doubling it down argument after argument because you don't have anything else to lose (or you think no one will ever reach you).

In a way or another, I'll just quote myself:

> Originally posted by Lisias
> Your kindness, ethics and moral integrity are legendary, in perfect resonance with the current state of the Game Industry which I'm absolutely sure you helped to shape.
> May the road rise with you.

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* Fighting this inconvenient markup system
Last edited by Lisias; 9 Apr @ 1:28pm
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fendrin
9 Apr @ 11:44am

> Originally posted by Lisias:
> - We are right, but you have a stake on preventing people from knowing it.
> - We are wrong, but perhaps near something else - and you have a stake on preventing people from knowing it
> - You have a personal beef with someone involved on this discussion, and really doesn't matter if it's right or not, all you want to do is to try to make this/these dude(s) look bad and so you will distort any evidence and any statement, doubling it down argument after argument because you don't have anything else to lose (or you think no one will ever reach you).

Yeah, right.
I have a stake on preventing people from having the same valuable knowledge as you.
You should double the strength of your tinfoil hat.
Just to make sure the organisation behind me doesn't influence your extraordinary brain with rays from satellites.
#55
Lisias
9 Apr @ 12:33pm

> Originally posted by fendrin:
> You should double the strength of your tinfoil hat.
> Just to make sure the organisation behind me doesn't influence your extraordinary brain with rays from satellites.

If by organisation behind you you mean NASA or any of their associates, be absolutely sure no one will else know who you are. They have pretty tight and strict standards about how their associates should behave in public, even on their private time.
On the other hand, if you don't have to follow such code of conduct, them I don't see how in hell whatever is the organization behind you is relevant to this discussion because such organisation is clearly unrelated to the subject at hands.
#56
fendrin
9 Apr @ 12:39pm

> Originally posted by Lisias:

> > Originally posted by fendrin:
> > You should double the strength of your tinfoil hat.
> > Just to make sure the organisation behind me doesn't influence your extraordinary brain with rays from satellites.

> If by organisation behind you you mean NASA or any of their associates, be absolutely sure no one will else know who you are. They have pretty tight and strict standards about how their associates should behave in public, even on their private time.
> On the other hand, if you don't have to follow such code of conduct, them I don't see how in hell whatever is the organization behind you is relevant to this discussion because such organisation is clearly unrelated to the subject at hands.

Okay, I give up.
You have won.
KSP invented Space.
There is no longer any reason to deny it.
#57
Lisias
9 Apr @ 1:09pm

> Originally posted by fendrin:

> > Originally posted by Lisias:
> > If by organisation behind you you mean NASA or any of their associates, be absolutely sure no one will else know who you are. They have pretty tight and strict standards about how their associates should behave in public, even on their private time.
> > On the other hand, if you don't have to follow such code of conduct, them I don't see how in hell whatever is the organization behind you is relevant to this discussion because such organisation is clearly unrelated to the subject at hands.

> Okay, I give up.
> You have won.
> KSP invented Space.
> There is no longer any reason to deny it.

So I finally touched a nerve? In a way or another:

> Originally posted by Lisias
> Your kindness, ethics and moral integrity are legendary, in perfect resonance with the current state of the Game Industry which I'm absolutely sure you helped to shape.
> May the road rise with you.

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*Fighting this inconvenient markup system
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#58
Bomoo
9 Apr @ 3:15pm
Irrefutable proof Jebediah invented Artemis II. Checkmate, atheists.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3703055592
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3703055942
Last edited by Bomoo; 9 Apr @ 3:18pm
#59
kninevortex
9 Apr @ 4:02pm

> Originally posted by fendrin:

> > Originally posted by kninevortex:
> > clearly. what kind of troglodyte thinks space is older that ksp

> The true story is as following:
> Johannes Kepler played KSP and invented his laws of planetary motion.
> Then NASA invented Space regarding his laws.
> Before that the Earth was flat, like Arda (the world that hosts Middle Earth) was flat before the cataclysm at the end of the Second Age.
> Shortly before the Voyager probes were launched, NASA also installed the Outer Planets Mod to the simulation.
> And so the solar system as we know it today came into existence.

do people not understand humor anymore
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